My guest today is Michele Zanini, co-founder of the Management Lab and co-author of Wall Street Journal best seller ‘Humanocracy’.
Michele has spent his entire career understanding how organizations can best enable their people to succeed. From analyzing the rise of agile terrorist organizations in the late 90s to conducting in-depth research with companies driving management model innovation globally today, Michele is a wealth of knowledge.
In this episode we discussed the features of bureaucracy, how ‘Humanocracy’ is different and plenty of real-life examples along the way.
After reading his book I was so impressed that I had to reach out and have him on the podcast. I have so much respect for Michele and we cover many of his novel ideas in this conversation. I hope you enjoy it!
(1:46) - Michele’s early work at The Rand Corporation studying terrorist organizations
(4:48) - Why copying management models wholesale does not work
(7:28) - How the needs of companies have changed as it relates to management models over the years
(11:14) - What ‘Humanocracy’ is
(13:38) - The case for ‘Humanocracy’
(18:48) - Best examples of companies in the post-bureaucratic vanguard
(25:38) - How to enact change in your organization to enable ‘Humanocracy’
(30:32) - “Explain that Tweet” speed round
(31:04) - Why supervisors should not be in charge of performance reviews
(31:53) - Reasoning for Quibi’s downfall
(34:04) - Why collaboration software is not a panacea for enabling dynamic organizations